June 8, 2000 12:15 AM through 1:30 P.M.
Subject: Charles Stanley (Stan) Weaver. 1974/1975 President Florida West Coast Chapter
Interviewed by: Daniel G. Herrera P.E. Chapter Historian.
This is an official historical leadership recall interview of Charles Stanley Weaver, past President of the Florida West Coast Chapter of ASHRAE. Today is June 8, 2000.
Charles Stanley (Stan) Weaver was born in Janesville, Wisconsin on January 13, 1931. In his early youth he came to Florida with his family in 1934 and lived in the town of Clermont, west of Orlando. There he attended Clermont High School and graduated in 1948.
He went to college at the University of Florida in Gainesville where he started with an undergraduate program of Business Administration. He realized early as a freshman that this was not his field of interest. He then became interested in Engineering and enrolled in the Industrial Engineering curriculum, which he later changed to the field of Mechanical Engineering. He thought that this field would be interesting and rewarding. During the summers of his college years, and some winters, he worked for the Merchant Marine in the Great Lakes as a deckhand, a watchman and a coal passer on the Morton E. Farr iron ore freighter that crossed the Great Lakes from Cleveland to Lake Superior.
Stan graduated from the University of Florida in 1954. He wanted to be a contractor at that time but shortly after graduation, he interviewed for a job at General Electric Company. During this interview they quickly dissuaded him from the idea of becoming a contractor and convinced him to work for G. E. instead. He entered the company in engineering sales.
General Electric was manufacturing air conditioning equipment and heat pumps then. Most of the heating, ventilating, and refrigeration design work was done by the contractors and the manufacturing companies such as Carrier and York. He worked at G.E. for six months until he entered the USAF under the ROTC program as a Second Lieutenant, and was assigned to Chanute AFB, in Illinois. He served in the USAF for thirty months with assignments in Rhein Mein Air Base near Frankfurt, Germany. The United States at this time was engaged in the Korean War.
During his stay at Chanute AFB, Illinois in 1954, he married Cathy his wife for 42 years until her recent death in 1996.
After his tour of duty with the USAF, Stan Weaver came upon an opportunity by “accident” as he stated it, to work for the Trane Company. He started at the Trane Co. training center in Lacrosse, Wisconsin, in applications engineering since at the time the manufacturing companies provided engineering consulting.
The consulting engineer who practices today in HVAC design for facilities was rare then so the mechanical contractor and the equipment dealers provided this service, since it was limited to air conditioning of stores, movie theaters, hospitals and some luxury hotels.
Stan returned to Gainesville, Florida working with the Trane Co. in equipment sales. He sold mainly heating equipment such as unit heaters, baseboard finned tube radiators and the like. The Trane Co. also was selling air conditioning equipment such as centrifugal chillers for large process plants and other industrial areas that required cooling in their production.
Stan moved to Tampa, Florida in 1959 from Gainesville while still working for the Trane Co. He continued with their sales team until 1967, when he decided to work as a manufacturer’s agent with Joe Middleton selling cooling towers, fans and air conditioning equipment. The business climate of the time was such that consulting firms were becoming more influential than they were before and capturing more of the design work previously done by the contracting firms. The giants of the industry in the Tampa area were to name a few: Tampa Armature Works, The Krauss Co., Pullera, Bowen and Watson, Beddingfield & Associates, Healy & Hargan, and Reynolds, Smith and Hills.
Tampa was a smaller city then. The major industries in the area were for phosphate mining and processing plants; the tobacco industry and the production of fine cigars; tourism for its sunshine and beaches. The University of South Florida was coming into being. Electric power companies were encouraging the use of electrically driven, compressorized air conditioning equipment. On the other hand, the Gas companies encouraged the use of gas-fired absorption coolers for residential applications.
Stan worked with Joe Middleton for nearly ten years. Mr. Weaver always wanted to have his own business, and in 1978 he started his own company which he named Stan Weaver and Co. selling HVAC equipment such as fans, cooling towers, humidifiers, and air distribution products. His company has expanded to include Orlando and it is providing reliable, prompt and courteous service to consulting engineers, contractors, and building owners.
Stan joined ASHRAE in the early 1960’s and is currently a life member of the Society belonging to the Florida West Coast Chapter. He served this Chapter in various positions and chapter chairs until he became president of the Chapter in 1974. Stan is very active in the programs and activities of the Society and the Chapter.
Stan Weaver when asked what advice he would give to a young engineer entering the field of HVAC he replied that for every individual the circumstances are different, but that he or she should pick the area of HVAC that interests them the most and stick with it. They could start in the manufacturing field, learn all they can about that process, and then go into consulting, sales, or contracting. Every case is different; eventually, the higher they move into the field of engineering and HVAC, the more of a salesperson they become. Each engineer has to be able to sell his or her ideas to the client to be successful.
(ASHRAE Fellow, Life Member, Recipient of the Distinguished Service Award and the Standards Achievement Award, and member of the Florida West Coast Chapter)
(Condensed from conversations with Bob Cook, Bob’s Brother, and from notes passed on to our chapter archives in 1995)
By Robert P. Sutton 1996 – Chapter Historian (This historical account was presented April 26, 1996)
Mr. Robert E Cook received his Bachelor of Science in Mechanical Engineering from the University of Minnesota. During W W.II Mr. Cook was in the Army and continued as a Lt. Colonel in the reserves for many years. Much of Bob’s career was with the A.O. Smith Company in Kankakee, Illinois as Director of Product Engineering and Development for the Consumer Products Division.
Bob has been in ASHRAE since 1953 and is a Life Member of ASHRAE and an ASHRAE Fellow. He has worked in the water heating industry for over 30 years and has been actively involved in the development of standards for the water heating industry throughout his career. Bob has served on the Standards Committee of ASHRAE and was chairman of the working group that developed Section 7 – Service Water Heating of the ASHRAE Standard 90-75. He has published articles on water heating equipment design and efficiency improvements, presented an energy efficiency discussion to the Energy Conference in Boston, MA in 1976, and once spoke to the California Energy Resources Board in 1977 regarding the proposed State Energy Efficiency Regulations regarding water heating and ASHRAE Standard 90-75. He also has been a member of ANSI-Z21.1 O-Gas Water Heater Standards technical committee. As a spokesman for the water heating industry he was instrumental in development of energy standards and product design changes, which were extended into the eventual ASHRAE Standard 90-1 that is in, use today. Although he has retired from A.O. Smith he continues to be involved in our industry and is an inspiration to all of us.
Bob recalled that during the early 70’s there was little discussion about energy usage and standby loss of water heaters sold in the United States. Most storage heaters were insulated with fiberglass. Heaters in Europe were being insulated with foam insulation due to higher energy costs and incentives by their governments. Product costs were the prime concern in the U.S. and electricity was relatively inexpensive.
The American Gas Association (AGA) had started to police the industry by calling for standards for testing and efficiency on product literature and product nameplates. Their goal was set at 70% efficiency; however, even the cheapest heaters had no problem meeting this requirement with fiberglass insulation or even no insulation.
Manufacturers were looking for alternative jackets for the water tanks and for more efficient insulation. Although foam provided better insulation it was more for protection of the tank. Many foam-insulated units were produced but they did not sell as quickly due to cost. In addition to jacket insulation, there was some discussion to increase efficiency of gas fired water heaters, but the industry had little incentive to do so since they did not have to publish or disclose their true efficiency. Then, the energy crisis of the early 70’s came about and changed the focus of many manufacturers in the business. There became government incentive programs for water heaters that would be of the lowest initial cost and the lowest operating cost for a 10-year period. Even then foam insulation was not used but double thickness fiberglass was used.
The ASHRAE Standard 90 was introduced in Feb. 1973 and a goal of minimum standards of efficiency was established. The industry argued over the standard but it eventually was passed. Water heater manufacturers had to then represent their efficiency and a minimum of 75% efficiency was set. Many states in the country adopted the standard and the AGA also followed suit with requirements to set efficiency.
Insulation had little effect on efficiency by did affect standby loss. The standard was set for 6 watts per hour per square foot of jacket area. Newer standards today call for even lower standby loss. Alternative insulation methods were being researched in the industry and a combination of fiberglass and foam was suggested by some.
Also, tank heat loss was studied with heat traps on the pipe connections and interestingly it was found to increase heat loss until an insulation type coupling was installed to restore heat loss to the original value.
In 1981, the energy standard ASHRAE 90 was proposed to be updated from the current standard 90-75, but manufacturers strongly argued for changes because the proposed standard actual would increase energy use. This was primarily because the standard would reduce the requirements below the present values and could be easily met by the current product line of most manufacturers, which eventually would result in replacement units, which would be less efficient. Mr. Cook and Mr. Duagirda of Rheem both urged the standards committee to set higher standards. At that time, more than 40 states had adopted the ASHRAE standard and shipments of higher efficiency units were 40 to 50% of the market.
The ASHRAE Standard 90 and the water heater section within it have continued to evolve to include flue dampers, standby loss values, and improved insulation and efficiency. The hard work of people like Bob Cook should be recognized as being historically significant, particularly in light of the competitive nature that invades our industry and promotes justification for lower efficiencies.
Regretfully, at the time of this writing Mr. Cook is in very poor health and our Chapter will be extremely sorrowed by his loss. This year, 1996, ASHRAE Society awarded the “Standards Achievement Award” to Bob for his many years of contribution to the water heating industry and to his extremely dedicated and outstanding work on the behalf of ASHRAE. Bob Cook has been one of those unselfish, silent heroes that has made a difference and has made his mark on our industry. Thank you, Bob Cook.
This is an official leadership recall account of Daniel G. Herrera as written by Dan himself.<br/>
I was born in Milwaukee, Wisconsin on February 22, 1973. My birth was premature due to my mom slipping on the ice and breaking her water. All was okay; I just spent some time in the incubator. I have an older brother, Rick, and a step-sister, Jennifer and step-brother Steven. Most of my first 18 years was spent living in the suburbs of Milwaukee, with a brief two year stint living near the shores of the Jersey coast in Bricktown. I graduated from Germantown High School in 1991. In school, I was on the diving team participated in drama, FBLA (Future Business Leaders of America) and Forensics. I decided to follow my brother and attend the University of South Florida from 1991 through 1996. My major was Chemical Engineering. In addition to my studies, I participated in numerous student groups and often held leadership positions. I was homecoming chair in 1996 with a $100,000 budget and also President of the USF Ambassadors. In fall of 1999, I decided to return to school and obtain an MBA with emphasis in Finance, Entrepreneurship and Leadership. My first job was with Engineering Matrix, Inc. a local MEP consulting firm. Since then I have worked for several consulting firms: Engineering Professionals, Inc., Affiliated Engineers, Inc., Kenyon and Partners, Inc. Currently I’m employed by the University of South Florida as a Mechanical Engineer for the Facilities Planning and Construction Department.
Interests and Hobbies
I enjoy watching and participating in sports. Currently I compete in triathlons (while the times aren’t fast to place, the challenge and camaraderie is worth it). So in order to train for the races, I also run, swim and bike separately as well, including mountain biking. I have also played a variety of coed sports such as flag football, softball, kickball and beach volleyball. To add to the outdoors, I also enjoy golf. When it is rainy, too cold or I’m just plain tired, I enjoy reading, mostly action thrillers. If there is time, I’ve been known to experiment with cooking and wine sampling.
Reasons for entering the Engineering and HVAC Industry
With a background in Chemical Engineering, thermodynamics has always been a strong point for me. I have just narrowed down my chemicals to two specific ones: air and water. I started the University already interested in engineering; math and science were my strong subjects in high school. When it was time to schedule my second semester classes, I wanted to take Chemistry II Lab. My advisor said only chemical and mechanical engineers had to take that course. At that point, I decided chemical engineering was the way to go. When I graduated, I was hired by a consulting firm that trained me in HVAC.
My first job was Engineering Matrix, Inc. in the fall of 1996. It led me down a path into MEP consulting engineering the major challenges I was facing at the time was Competition.
In the mid-90s the Tampa Bay area was flooded with MEP consulting firms that were all spin-offs from some of the original companies, I remember many of the Principals came from Delta Engineering. Also, the time of Energy Audits was complete and many consultants were all competing for the same pool of school contracts, the economy was right before the booming of the late 90’s.
I first got involved in ASHRAE and the local Chapter when I attended the FWC Shrimp Boil in 1998, Don Crosby was very active in ASHRAE back then and he was handing out flyers around the office. Once I started working at Engineering Professionals, Inc. Gary Stenlund was very instrumental in my ASHRAE involvement. He immediately encouraged membership and involvement. When he was President of FWC, I was newsletter editor. We had a great time with that. To this day, I think Gary had some of the best articles, of course with a great picture to match!
Involvement with ASHRAE and the Florida West Coast Chapter
Once I became a member and got involved, it was only a matter of time. My election date was October 31, 1999. It started with newsletter, then student activities when John Wells, III was president, next thing I knew, I was on the Board, and moving quickly, secretary, treasurer, 2nd VP – Membership, 1st VP – Research, President Elect – Programs/CTTC and finally President. Currently I am RVC – Membership (2008).
As I mentioned before at that time when I first started in engineering, competition was fierce. Now a bit more than ten years later, we are in a mild recession. The economy is terrible, fuel prices are rising, the country was still at war and a presidential election was right around the corner. People are begging for change, but it is hard to put a finger on what it will cost. If there is a positive, the high fuel costs (both in gas and power) are causing building owners to be more conscious of sustainability, equipment to be more efficient than it has ever been before. Just looking at the recent ASHRAE themes, “Greater Efficiency Today: Blue Skies Tomorrow” and “Maintain to Sustain”. See the article I wrote at end of this FWC Leadership Recall.
Major Issues facing the Industry
At the time of this writing the following facts highlight the status of the industry:
These are some staggering figures, because of this, ASHRAE has been getting more and more involved with groups such as the USGBC (United States Green Building Council) not only to explain the importance of ASHRAE standards used in current building codes, but to explain why it is so important and ASHRAE’s mission of advancing heating, ventilation, air conditioning and refrigeration to serve humanity and promote a sustainable world through research, standards writing, publishing and continuing education. Also even though it’s still in review, ASHRAE Standard 189 – Standard for the Design of High Performance Green Buildings except for Low-Rise Residential Buildings is being written that it can be interpreted as code, this will help counties, municipalities and states encourage high performance design.
People who stand out as major influences
The list people that have stood out to influence me in is endless. The few I’ve mentioned above, Gary Stenlund, John Wells. Others that have really given me an atta-girl are Ross Montgomery (to me – he is Mr. ASHRAE), Rob Risley. One of the up and comers that says a lot of “WOW” is Jason Alphonso from Central Florida. He was just working on the side as a drafter when I met him, trying to finish his Masters degree at UF. Fast forward a few years later and he took a small grass roots group of students and young ASHRAE members into annual contenders for the Student Design competition to being an instrumental part in the start-up of YEA – Young Engineers in ASHRAE. I also feel fortunate to see the hard work of some of the Delegates and Alternates at CRC. I enjoyed learning from Mike Dillard and everything he did to make Central Florida such a strong chapter.
Events Changing ASHRAE
Once again, due to economy and the new focus on sustainability, ASHRAE is becoming more of a household name as it relates to LEED. Finally, architects are taking a moment to learn about ASHRAE and its depth of knowledge.
If your product in the HVAC industry is not ASHRAE or ARI endorsed, or even documented, then there is little success available to you. The technical committees of ASHRAE are very thorough on product development and research, they have to be.
Advice to young engineers entering the field
First, open your mind, ask questions, questions that start with “how” and “why”. Of course, join ASHRAE, but more importantly, attend the meetings. The presentations are only an hour, and they touch on a variety of topics, take that opportunity to learn something new
Too many to tell, or at least they will need to be PG rated. Seriously, my friends I have made in ASHRAE have been very important to me over the past ten years. We got pictures from Shrimp Boil with people wearing parrots on their head, engineer’s banquets where I found a “secret bar” and many a CRC where friends were made in the hospitality suite. It’s just exciting to think there is more to come!
Here is a relevant article I wrote for the local chapter newsletter
Keeping it Cool with ASHRAE
That’s my personal selected theme is for this year. There’s more to this statement other than the obvious. GLOBAL WARMING. Just recently, former Vice President Al Gore and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change won the 2007 Nobel Peace Prize. Gore has quoted, “The climate crisis is not a political issue, it is a moral and spiritual challenge to all of humanity.” This week, the NBC Today show has continued a focus on climate change as well, pointing out not only the changes to the environment in Antarctica, the Arctic and the Equator, but nature’s beauty that exists there. This is also an issue that no longer causes a divide in political parties. In late September Republican Governor of Florida Charlie Crist and former Democratic President Bill Clinton announced that Florida will be part of a $2.4 billion Clean Energy Program that will produce a major Solar Power Plant associated with FPL in Jupiter, FL. Worldwide, U.S. was part of a unanimous vote to accelerate portions of the Montreal Protocol which focuses on reducing the effects of Global Warming. However, it’s not all gloom and doom. About 18 months ago I visited Cozumel, Mexico. The island had been severely wiped out by the hurricane season six months prior. Last week I visited again. The island had been rebuilt and was thriving. If science and engineering can rebuild the effects of one of Mother Nature’s most ferocious disasters, science and engineering can also help with man’s destruction. A couple of technologies are being explored to prevent the excess carbon dioxide build-up that causes global warming as well as other solar protection devices. Solar umbrellas are thin discs that could be launched into space to protect the Earth from the Sun’s rays as the ozone becomes depleted. Carbon capture would capture carbon dioxide from the largest emission producers and dissolve or pool it into the oceans. Another concept is the Geritol Effect in which iron dust would cause algae blooms that would absorb excess carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. The Volcanic dust method would add tons of sulfates to the stratosphere to mimic the cooling effects of volcanic eruption. These methods all seem extreme, have extraordinary costs and could potential harm other ecosystems. There are other less extreme methods – SUSTAINABILITY. Sustainability does not only focus on the environmental impact, but it has two other components that are not as obvious. It must be financially feasible to ensure Governmental and corporate backing and it must have a social impact that makes it acceptable and endorsed by humanity. Last month I participated on a panel regarding Sustainability. I was fortunate that I could speak not only about ASHRAE Standards 62.1 and 90.1, but I was pleased to announce the collaborative effort of ASHRAE, IESNA and USGBC to produce ASHRAE Standard 189 – Standard for the Design of High-Performance, Green Buildings Except Low-Rise Residential Buildings. We as members of ASHRAE have opportunities to participate in the exploration of sustainable efforts as well as incorporate it into our designs, equipment selection and education of our constituents. Let’s keep it Cool with ASHRAE!